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I'm a British mathematician, been in the Netherlands for 35 years ("chercher la femme"). Recently became a double proud grandfather. Have a compulsion, but it's not secret, to want to correct miscarriages of justice involving abuse of science, see Dhamaka's plea

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Lucia: Really good news

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The Lucia case is almost over. The final scene of this last (main) act will be 17 March 2010. Investigations of the last nine months have confirmed that the cases of Amber, Achmed, Achraf are all natural deaths/incidents. And these are the only ones where there was even a semblance of proof. The court will need less than a day to wind things up. In the meantime: no more investigations, no more experts.
9th Dec 2009, 12:07   | tags:,


bethmadethis says:

fingers crossed very tightly

9th Dec 2009, 12:42

Orbit says:

Very good news indeed.

9th Dec 2009, 13:04

Viv says:

Ooh that is good - time for compensation?

Nothing makes up for the lost years and the stress and toll on her health but ...

9th Dec 2009, 13:38

This is FANTASTIC news! Marking the date on my calendar. :)


9th Dec 2009, 19:08

MaggieD says:

I am so pleased to hear this ...... and yes, compensation must be the next route to follow .....

9th Dec 2009, 19:36

Wendle says:

So good to hear!! :)

9th Dec 2009, 19:59

gill1109 says:

Compensation is tricky because Lucia's conviction for stealing some library books and for entering Dutch nursing school with a false Canadian high-school diploma still stand. This is what her lawyers say, in Dutch, maybe someone likes to translate:

Mes Amies,

Strikt genomen kán een veroordeling voor een bijgevoegde zaak (in casu vervalsen diploma) een schadevergoeding in de weg staan, omdat de zaak als één geheel (zaak) wordt gezien. Dit in het achterhoofd houdend heb ik destijds bij de rechtbank ook verweer gevoerd ter zake voeging en moest de officier voor die feiten (alsook enkele vermeende levensdelicten (RKZ en HAGA) een aparte dagvaarding uitbrengen, die helaas alsnog gevoegd werd. Echter er is een enkele uitspraak (Hof Amsterdam, maar een zwaluw maakt geen zomer) die op grond van de redelijkheid en billijkheid toch een vergoeding toekent. Bij het Hof Den Haag krijg je standaard nul op rekest. Overigens bestaat de mogelijkheid om, ook indien er een veroordeling plaats vindt maar de zaak eindigt in een schuldigverklaring zonder strafoplegging (zgn. rechterlijk pardon artikel 9a Wetboek van Strafrecht), schadevergoeding te vragen. Hier zit denk ik onze ruimte.
Het verzoek moet vervolgens worden ingediend binnen 3 maanden na afloop van de zaak (na afloop van de cassatietermijn van 14 dagen). De behandeling ervan kan soms (helaas) lange tijd duren!!
Dit brengt mij bij het volgende. Vanmorgen had Lucia het erg moeilijk, dat het nog zoveel tijd ging duren. Ze zit echt op zwart zaad. Geen uitkering en met zijn tweeën leven ze van Peter zijn minimumuitkering. Als iemand nog wat kan missen in financiële zin geef ik hierbij het banknummer: L.I.Q. de Berk, Den Haag; account nr. 436916 ING/postbank. Misschien een mooie kerstgedachte. IBAN: NL27INGB0000436916. BIC: INGBNL2A. ING Bank N.V., 1000 AV 

Amsterdam, Netherlands

10th Dec 2009, 07:12

gill1109 says:

"Stricly speaking a confiction for an added case (in casu falsification of qualifications) could stand in the way of compensations, since the case is viewed as a whole. Keeping this in mind, at the time I protested against insertion of this fact in the case and the officer had to produce a separate summons for these facts (as well as some alleged offences against life (RKZ and HAGA)), that unfortunately was eventually still added to the case as a whole. However, there is a single ruling (Court of Amsterdam, but one swallow does not a summer make), that on the grounds of reasonableness and fairness still awards compensation. At the court in The Hague you will be turned down. There is also the option of, even if there is a conviction, but without sentence (a socalled legal pardon article 91 Criminal Law), to request compensation. This is where I think our room to manouver is.
The request must be filed within 3 months after the case ends (after the term for cassation of 14 days). Processing can (unfortunately) take a lot of time.
This is what brings me to the following. This morning Lucia was very down, about the fact that it's going to take so long. She is down to her last penny. She doesn't get any social security and the two of them are living off Peter's minimal social security payments. If anyone has anything to spare financially, the bank account information is: L.I.Q. de Berk, Den Haag; account nr. 436916 ING/postbank. Perhaps a nice thought for Christmas. IBAN: NL27INGB0000436916. BIC: INGBNL2A. ING Bank N.V., 1000 AV Amsterdam, Netherlands"

10th Dec 2009, 10:43

JokerXL says:

Great news indeed Richard.
I've also translated the "latest news" section from the Lucia-website concerning this, I've posted it on my blog but also sent it on to the contact address for the site as I'm not sure who's coordinating things there any more. Can you check with them and see if they will post it on the English language section of the site?
Also, how can I get access to the courtroom on the 17th March? just turn up or do you have to register somewhere first?

17th Dec 2009, 13:17

gill1109 says:

In order to be on the list of people who can be sure of a seat, you should ask Lucia's lawyer Ton Visser, "A.P. Visser" <>. If you email him with a cc. to me and say you are one of the Lucia supporters then he'll know it's OK. You'll of course need a passport or other official identity document to get in, too.

The Dutch Lucia website is presently on hold. Metta de Noo decided to freeze it as it was, some months ago. This means that the translation project also languishes. If you send me what you have I'll take it up with Metta. I think it would be good if at least the "latest news" is kept up to date.

17th Dec 2009, 16:53

JokerXL says:

Thank you Richard. I´ll get on to Ton Visser.
Really would like to be there,
and I´ll send you the UK translation of Metta´s last "latest news" article. Carole still needs to look at it but she's away this week, doing "Super Woman" stuff in Iceland.

17th Dec 2009, 17:34