by Alfie
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Jeez. This is what I get for just picking at images when I should be working. Sorry for any offence guys.
Wikinews question:
Hi, can you explain more about where and at what time precisely this photo was taken?
might be handy to add it directly to this page:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Image:Trapped_underground.jpg
bronxelf says:
:) Just wanted to make sure you found out and fast. You and yours all right then?
540air says:
Yes we're all ok thanks. Fortunately far enough away from all this. You ok? I saw you and mrs540 were discussing fencing last night.
bronxelf says:
I'm okay. Very concerned- I remember this all too well from three years ago. I was on my way to bed when this happened. Awake now, obviously.
Yes, was talking about fencing last night. Much fun. She's quite nice.
540air says:
Like I said before, she's the best :)
All this terrorist stuff must bring back some bad memories for you though
alfie says:
above ground, the pic was taken on a camphone by one of tabs colleagues, just getting personal inofrmation from him now.
alexis says:
(certainly feels more like it was yesterday, than three years ago, at the moment... )
kostika says:
I'm not even in London and I'm worried. I wasn't in the country when 911 happened and i have few friends in NY. This is a bit freaky for me now cause I have many friends in London.
Laser Dog says:
This is just unbelievable ...
The latest reports are of 6 scattered explosions. Just praying that everyone is ok!
alfie says:
This image taken by Keith Tagg Adam Stacey. He was on the northern line just past Kings Cross. Train suddenly stopped and filled with smoke. People in carriage smashed tube windows to get out and then were evacuated along the train tunnel. He's suffering from smoke inhalation but fine otherwise.
alfie. I KNOW what it's like to be in the middle of this situation. I lived in Manchester. My flat was on the roof of the Arndale Centre. I walked past the van that blew up about 3/4 hour before the city centre was evacuated. It was a terrifying experience that I would never want to live through it again. Not to mention that I was temporarily homeless because we didn't know if the building was safe, and I couldn't get into work because our office was on the edge of the blast zone. The original comment I made was innappropriate, thought I didn't know that at the time, it would have been more inappropriate to leave it once I knew the context. Again sorry if any offence was caused.
alfie says:
"The original comment I made was innappropriate, thought I didn't know that at the time"
exactly, dont worry mate, my bad for assuming you knew.
alexis says:
does anyone know if they're still evacuating the tube/ what the specifics are on that? they're finally done with the "power surge" bit, on the news here, and have talked to some people who've left after being stuck 20+ minutes underground., but I'm not understanding if that's just from one spot or not.
Hotdog says:
I hope you dont mind but I sent it into Sky news. ( with photo credit to Keith Tagg)
alfie says:
thats what the cc is for, Ive had Associated press contactme, as well as an Israeli daily news source.
alfie says:
here is the link for the bbc page with live video :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659093.stm
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just keep hitting play until it works is the best plan.
Just seen on Sky News...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/iambigred/24230716/
Hotdog says:
Nope they just said this photo was sent in by one of our viewers Keith Tagg and then they went on to describe the pic
probably a good thing they didn't mention us the view count on this would sky-rocket ( I have a feeling it will anyhow)
the image is now on the sky news website at http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1188273,00.html
There are no credits just a note that it is "Passenger's camera photo"
h4nne5 says:
dont know, but the creative commies reference on the post seems a bit inappropriate to me...
Joe says:
h4nne5 thats the license that the image is released under, it's nothing to do with commies.
alfie says:
hey H4nnes, the reason was that without it, it would not have been picked up as it has been by traditional news sources, it would have ahd to go through AP, sold etc, this way it is free to use for any organisation, and it is an important image I think.
BBC has picked up the pic here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4659489.stm
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With the following quote:
This photo by Adam Stacey is available on the internet and claims to show people trapped on the underground system.
h4nne5 says:
the commies thing wasnt meant serious (the t-shirt!) i know it's commons!
@alfie: seems to be a good point. i had a wrong impression it was to promote the creative commons.
;-)
Don't worry about us. We'll be fine. Everyone gets their turn at being hit by terrorists, and the important thing is NOT TO LET THEM WIN. Britain is not "burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern and western quarters". Yes, lives have been lost, and yes, it's terrible, but as a nation we will shrug this off and continue to do what we believe is the right thing. We will continue to help the people of Iraq to recover from their years of oppression, which we deeply regret our part in imposing on them many years ago.
kel says:
glad to hear you're ok, alf, was really frightening in central london this morning. i'm home ok now too and as far as i know all my mates are either home or in their offices. lots of love.
kel says:
long story - was on piccadilly line which terminated at manor house at 0905, was told to get bus to finsbury park and get victoria line... obviously that was closed too, so went back to manor house and got bus towards holborn, which terminated at islington. But instead of telling us to go home, they told us to get on another one - which then stopped on farringdon road. Again, though, instead of saying, right guys, try and go home, they just chucked us off. So i walked down to work and found police turning everyone away. Didn't know what to do except walk home and avoid train stations, so just walked as far as essex road, then managed to get a cab back to turnpike lane. I feel really shocked and really lucky (russell square is the station i use for work.)
I'm really angry that I was allowed to get as far into london as i was though, and i hope that didn't cause people to get hurt.
alfie says:
Hey Dean, cheers mate - Im at home with incredibly bad tooth, but I cycle in at any rate. I was initially a little worried about tabby, as she normally cycles but took the train today, right through Kings Cross, but she's fine and in a warm office. SO nice seeing you here mate.
Alfie, kel, once you feel up to it, any chance you could stop by Wikinews and check to make sure we've got it right?
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Explosions%2C_%27serious_incidents%27_occuring_across_London
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We really need some more reporters on this event who were actually involved, not just listening to the radio. If you're not familiar with how wikinews works, just leave some notes on the discussion page, we'll clean 'em up and add them to the article.
I'm glad you made it out okay.
alfie says:
"then managed to get a cab back to turnpike lane. "
good, and hey, I didnt know you guys lived just there, I used to be based out there.
"I'm really angry that I was allowed to get as far into london as i was though"
Phoenix said above that at 7.30 in the morning he noticed that all the down escalators had been switched off at a station, who knows what Underground staff and mangers were thinking in the midst of all this.
kel says:
yeah, our tube driver told us that 'there is a power surge at king's cross, we don't know how long we'll have to wait at this station, go to finsbury park'
only been living in turnpike lane for a couple of months, boy am I glad i wasn't having to try and get back to croydon...
(Tim - i'll have a look at that, but I'm not sure how much help i'd be)
anathemad says:
Just woke up to this. Tears and prayers to everyone effected.
Elf - keep me posted on this side of the Atlantic as to anything that needs doing.
I've been at work for half an hour in the U.S. (9:30 a.m. EST) and just found this site through Flickr after seeing your photo on BBC and the Guardian. Very impressive for a camera phone image, as well as for you keeping your cool through th experience.
I'm glad to hear that you and your mates made it out of the UG all right and I hope that things clear up soon in London. It's very frightening to be shown how fragile our lives can be, how delicate the skins we wear really are.
The U.S.'s thoughts and prayers are with you at this time.
Sarah
alfie says:
Thanks Sarah, just to be clear, this is an image captured by a friend that works with my girlfriend. He was very cool, I think reasoned flight was the order of the day, although there are reports that there are still people trapped on the underground.
Rich says:
Man, Moblog first with the news once again. Shame it couldn't be in happier circumstances.
Hearts and thoughts going out to you from Colorado, and thanks to all here for posting information. Helps to know there are ways to connect through all this.
We all are sending thoughts of strength and support your way, and are with you as we watch this unfold.
Be well...
Adrienne
kyoob says:
21121 views at 1643, this image definitely stirs something deep inside. Sympathies to all.
540air says:
It's a sad day. The only real losers in all of this are the unfortunate people who happened to be going about their daily business when some sick, twisted, evil minded bunch of morons figured they would become martyrs for "the cause". Whatever the f**k that may be.
I hope the people who did this rot in hell.
akp says:
:(
Glad the photographer of this got out safely. I have ridden on the Underground in London during my visits there a few years back and can only imagine how horrible it must have been to have them start to fill with smoke.
An amazing and disturbing shot. I'm so glad to see the UK folks checking in on their moblogs.
We are thinking of you.
sallypnut says:
Sending prayers and hugs to all my UK friends and their families.
Love,
Sara
lizziepants says:
cnn is posting our moblog photos. so so glad to hear you're alright alfie, everyone else is accounted for to then?
lizziepants says:
this photo, is one of the ones being shown in the background feed while the anchors are talking -- they've had continual feed all day, but its another source perhaps Sky or BBC they're showing images from, just saw this photo three or four times in the loop.
I think this photo was taken on the same train (same person?)
http://www.buzznet.com/buzzwords/london/?id=1397830
alfie says:
no, the one adam was on managed to make it into a station, I believe the above is from the aldgate train.
Alfie - you rock, this is such an important image as it brings home the horror of an underground attack and highlights the importance of recognising that everyone can define the news. You also rock cos you released it under CC so that the world could see it.
So relieved everyone is OK.
Paula Le Dieu
london CCi staffer watching in horror from New York.
lizziepants says:
Yesterday while in the supermarket, I was shopping for foods, veggies, etc -- anyhow -- got up the line to checkout and there was a huge wait. There was an angry looking middleaged white man with an overflowing basket of food grumbling under his breath about the store and "why don't they open another line, Americans are waiting in line!!" very hostile. He was making everyone pretty anxious -- then a young black girl appeared kinda close to where I was standing in line waiting, with a baby on her hip and two items in her hand, milk and diapers. I offered her to go ahead of me and from behind the angry man began shouting.
"You're what's wrong with the world, goddamned American always letting foreigners cut in line, first it's the blacks, then its the Muslims, next it'll be the Orientals..." he went on, and on and on. The girls baby began to cry and I was just about to say something to him when a guy in the next line over in army fatigues spoke up.
"No, you're what's wrong with the world, bigotry and hatred and complete ignorance, you're who causes wars and hate, you should be ashamed of yourself."
I don't think the old man said another word, in fact, everything was silent. I know this incident yesterday fails in comparison to the magnitude of today's events in London, but I can't help think that if everyone took a moment to realize how precious life is and just love eachother, tragedies such as this would never happen. I know it's a far fetched wish -- I just don't know what else to say.
I don't know who's right or wrong in this whole war.. all the deaths and horror seem to outweigh the possibility of real peace, for me, anyway. I just wish the aggressors would stop harming innocent people, on both sides.
i am watching the news now i am disgusted that this should happen we have a army to protect us but they are everywhere else in the world protecting others and the people they are trying to protect are over here killing us what is going on is this ever going to stop. why the people who work in london are keeping the world running the leaders are protected well leaders listen to this the public will not put up with this 4 ever DO SOMETHING!
I hope all of you in the UK and London especially are all safe & OK!
I feel for all of our brothers and sisters from the UK. Man it sure brings back memories of 9-11. But I know that the British have the same resolve that the Americans have. And I know that they will rise above and be a stronger people because of this. God bless you all from Alabama, USA.
I think the goverment needs to think about paying our emergency services more and think about housing them closer to work for this reason.If people come to this coumtry and cannot prove who they are and what criminal history they may have then they should be sent straight home they dont even know where these people are they come here then disapear to cause havoc on our country its despicable this should be happening this day and age the people respnsible probably have a free pass to travel on london transport while the people who pay to travel to work who pay taxes which fund these bus passes get blown up by them its NOT FAIR.my heart goes out to everyone affected by this tragic event
Joe says:
You are entitled to your opinion nipper, but I disagree, this is nothing to do with race, or ethnicity, this is about religious extremism.
I'm proud to live in a country where people are accepted regardless of where in the world they were born, or what colour their skin is.
The minority should not be allowed to jade your opinion of the majority.
alfie says:
Dont stand too close, we're funny about all that us Brits.
but thanks for the sentiment,
alfie says:
good point - Im gonna find him and ask him to fill out a lottery form for me, thanks for the idea ;)
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Rich says:
Perhaps if the American government stopped behaving in such a thoughtless, imperialist and racist way the battle would be that much shorter.
ALL this is AMERICA'S fault. ALL OF IT.
You are so out of line. You have not called this one correctly. America did not invent racism or imperialism not are we the only country perpetuating any of the isms your site has accused us of doing. Look at the brouhahha over Prince Rainier biracial grandson. All we hear across the pond is that this child is muddying up the bloodline of the dynasty. All of Europe is racis. Period, including jolly ole England. What hypocricy!
540air says:
"ALL this is AMERICA'S fault. ALL OF IT"
Rich: Don't mean to offend you but in my opinion that's a fairly racist staement in itself. You can't blame all of America just because you don't like their government. That isn't the way to get people sitting down together to discuss their differences. All it does is knocks down bridges and widens any gaps that are already there.
I agree whoeheartedly w/540air: calmer heads should and must prevail in times of turmoil. Besides the bloodshed of innocent human beings, one of the aims of terrorist is the age-old strategy of diviide and conquer. There is no reason to take the bait. If possible, England should enlist the financial help of all the countries that will participate in the Olympics 2012 events. Condolences to all the bereaved families.
Rich says:
I can blame the American government though, which is what I was doing. My American friends are all wonderful, blameless human beings who happen to live in a country which has employed genocide as a tool of foreign policy for over 50 years. You can get all touchy-feely spacktard "hey let's not play the blame game" if that makes you feel better but that doesn't change the facts. America created Al Qaida, America armed Saddam Hussain, America has blindly supported Israel in it's oppression
of Palestine, etc etc etc. And that's before we get onto South America, the far east....
I was being slightly overzealous though, I will admit. Britain has done more than it's fair share to earn the enmity of the middle east. So it's more accurately a 70/30 split on the blame front.
Rich - that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. It is a shame that you can look at this devestation caused by awful people and not put the full blame on the people who actually did it. Be careful before your reasoning becomes as twisted as the sick people who did this!!
Rich,
As a 9/11 survivor I find it offensive for you to blame America. I think you may want to study a little about British history. The seeds of this anger may go back to the period of English colonialism. Remember "the sun never set on the British Empire". As for the citizens of the United Kingdom, I will keep them in my prayers. I understand their pain. I hope that all those that lost love ones at the hands of these cowardly individuals will find peace one day.
Rich says:
Did you actually read what I said? How I blamed us too? And as a 9/11 survivor why don't you go and read a little bit more about America's recent history? Then you might understand a little about the reason WHY you got attacked rather than just "they the bad men, we gon 'tack them good"
Whatever, I just get sick of all the jingoistic bullcrap "Oh, we must beat these evil people who are evil because they're evil and we're totally blameless, blah blah blah."
540air says:
Rich,
The comment made ending with "70/30 blame split" I would tend to agree with. My point was that as you mentioned you were being a bit over zealous.
The US and UK govs have a lot to answer for but the vast majority of US & UK citizens are normal blameless people who get sh*t on from a great height.
[edit]
The "It's all America's" fault comment just invites the jingoistic comments that have been appearing since.
Wow - amazing how a weblog of such warm well-wishers from across the globe can turn so angry in a split second. The answer, of course, is you're both right. Al Qaida was created as a direct response to American foreign policy - and there's no question there as Bin Laden has said this over and over again.
Of course there's racism in Europe - there's racism in America - there's racism everywhere - and it's usually caused by sheer ignorance. People don't like what they don't understand.
What the global community has a hard time understanding, though, is America's recent foreign policy maneuvers. Going after Al Queda after 911 made sense, going after the Taliban in Afganistan made sense since that was where a lot of Al Quaida resources were - but where the heck did invading Iraq come from? They had nothing to so with Al Quaida or 911, had no weapons of mass distruction, and the US actually diverted resources away from the war on terrorism to go after Sadam. It kind of leaves the world scratching its head.
Invading Iraq was probably the best gift George Bush could ever give Al Quaida as they now have another foreign policy reason to continue to go after the West since Iraq was an Islamic state. And lets not forget that the UK was strongly shoulder to shoulder with the US in this little foray into Iraq. We reap what we sow...
Rich says:
Oh fuck off Tim, why is it Americans always roll that one out when they feel they have to win an argument? Entering a war several years late after continuing an economic relationship with Nazi Germany, yeah, you go right ahead and feel proud about that bucko.
I'm ending this conversation now, because it's only going to get stupid and there's no way anything useful will come out of this cross atlantic dickwaving.
540air, apologies if I offended you, but it's been incredibly frustrating having to live with nearly 4 years of vile neocon rhetoric and masturbatory expressions of grief over an event, while shocking and unique and terrible, is a mere drop in the ocean compared to what we in the west have visited on the rest of the world.
What was it Malcolm X said about chickens and their roosting habits?
As an American. I am deeply offended by some of the statements on this site. We do not share the blame in this tragedy...not 70% not even .05% Our foreign policies are not responsible for terrorist taking innocent lives. Please make me understand your position. Uhhh talk to me as if I was 9 or 10. Expand on your logic...Explain how our policies promoted this tragedy. I am waiting.....You know what you will never explain to my satisfaction. Never. you Rich are an asshole.
The only people responsible for yesterday's atrocities are the maniacs who detonated the bombs.
Let's have a little more mutual support for civilians who have been turned into frontline soldiers by godless idiots.
Dude:
If you have taken offense at me calling a fellow-Brit a bad name. Bygones. The logic of some of the posting is illogical childish/unintelligible/archaic and downright mean spirited,,,Really, I am being kind in assessing this dialogue. .What right-thinking person believes that anyone 'cept the pepertrators of this tragedyn are responsible for this tragedy. ???
daz says:
I'm gone for 6 hours and you start a flame war. Please kids, let's all play nice, shall we?
52412 views at 10.54 EDT. Congratulations on the popularity of this photo. I'm here through a link in the NYT. As an American, I want to extend my sympathies and sorrow for what happened yesterday. As an American, I would also like to extend my aplogies for the behaviors of other Americans on this message board, who can't seem to move beyond a US-centric world view.
May you find healing, and peace.
Dude,
This is my last comment of the day.This is an interesting site; I will return this evening. If terrorist sincerely believe that Americans et al are responsible for their plight and as a result of that belief, embark on a Holy War to avenge their wrongdoers (Americans and Brits) by sensless bombings. The fact that the terrorist sincerely believe this does not make that belief true/correct or accurate.The belief in something that has no basis in fact or reality makes the terrorist actions sincere, and their beliefs sincere...sincerely wrong. Let us not concede one iota to this kind of logic...to do so perpetuates the belief that we are responsible for yesterday's event. Also, why fight against and support a war on terrorism if we are responsible in any manner? Let freedom ring.
Gracey: I'm concerned that the extremists' beliefs are rooted in our countries histories, i.e. the creation of the Israeli state, et al. I'm 21, American and I agree that our generation absolutely does not deserve this, but it is our responsibility to know the history that has led to where we are now. I don't think one can fight terrorism by dismissing something they obviously believe in more fanatically than most things you or I believe in. What's gone on in Iraq should be a lesson (that we should have known from Vietnam, duh): you can't bully people to make them agree with you.
Rich says:
Hhhm. The trouble with that kind of logic, Gracey, is that it's just the unstoppable force meeting immovable object problem. If we're just going to see them as The Bad Guys and us as The Good Guys then we're just going to be stuck in this cycle of violence forever. The West has helped to create this situation, like it or not. That does not excuse their actions, it is merely an attempt to create a context in which we can understand them and try and find a solution - somewhat more useful that "We're right and they're evil, shooting them will solve the problem"
Of course, if Bush Senior hadn't been such an abject coward back in the first gulf war and had continued to support the Iraqi and Kurdish rebels instead of withdrawing the mighty US military and letting them get massacred by the Republican Guard then he wouldn't have had to rig elections to get his idiot son to finish the job for him, who knows how different the world might have been?
Did Bush start 9/11? No.
(btw- I do not think the iraq war was a good move. Afghanistan/taliban/al-qaeda was and is the noble fight)
You can trace the fanaticism all the way back to creation of Israel or even beyond that.
If you don't blame the terrorist fanatics then who?
You could fill an entire page with world leaders names going back decades who have pissed these lunatics off.
I don't think anything we do (or do not do) will ever make the true fanatics happy. It seems to be their 'job' to elevate themselves by creating hatred any way they can.
If you remove one excuse they will find another to 'justify' their 'cause'.
I honestly believe they would not know what to do with themselves to 'validate' their existence if they did not seek to destroy all that which they dislike.
This photo & Moblog was just mentioned on MSNBC. The person being interviewed was asked what photo from people on the street in London struck a chord the most.
Love and support from the US - & PA>
To my fellow Londoner, (even thought i now live in chicago) we must stay vigilant and strong. Despite all the positive, negative and intereting comments on this site (which is amazing) it seems politics, religion and peoples world view will always be violent, rude, endearing and in the case of fundamentalists, downright fatal and destructive. if indeed USA and Uk's foreign policies have created this incident and 9/11 and others like it then we are all in danger! Let us find solutions and help one another in our own way
I am from the U.S. I have read the comments posted on this site and I just wanted to say I do not think that anyones nationality should have anything to do with this horrible tragedy. We are all the same in God's eyes. Instead of lashing out words of hatred and blame we should all pull together and be strong for all the ones affected by this incident. We do not understand reasoning behind actions such as these but I know that even troublesome times have reasoning. Look to God and have faith He will bring us through. Some question God as to why He would allow something like this to happen but remember, He also gave His only son to save US ALL! Praise and Glory be to God-our prayers are with you all. Deepest Sympathy from the United States.
As a US citizen it is very sad to see what happened in London. I live right on the outskirts of New York city. The reality that day is these terrorists killed over 3,000 people from all over the world. It was the worst thing I have ever seen by far. People tend to forget things but those who saw these events never will. They turned the largest financial district in the world a ghost town. I know I was there. I know people who were lost that day. The world and maybe are foreign policies sometimes are not perfect. But the fact is both of our countries pour out to other countries in need as much as we can. It is sad that these terrorists believe that causing destruction and murder further their religious cause. They teach their children this. The day the trade centers went down people in afghanistan and Iraq were dancing. That is sick. These people are cowards. I thought alot since 9/11 whether so much loss of life is worth it. If we back out now the terrorists have dictated that there actions will make us stop in our countries search for peace and freedom in this world. More countries must follow in our footsteps and put an end to terrorism and nuclear threats in this world. God bless us all and all those who have been lost. May peace prevail in the end.
WOW, I just read this whole sight and I am saddened how it has turned out. Being an American, I am lucky that what has happened in London and on 9/11 isn't a daily occurence, but in some peoples lives this is their norm. How you can blame the Us or UK?For this is ridiculous. We have the ability to help people and we should. I didn't vote for Bush... I HATE the fact that he runs our country. And almost 50% of the US would back me on that. He manipulated what happened on 9/11 to go into Iraq. I know that the Iraqi people need help but for him to use that as a reason to go in is Bullshit. I sitll don't understand. Bin Ladin was in Afghanastan and what did Bush do? He sent maybe 10% off the troops there and the rest to Iraq for these so called WOMD... more like OIL!!!! I am going to stop right now because it just upsets me that there are people on here blaming the innocent people that have no control over this. I didn't vote for Bush and his daddy's buddies to run our government, that was the republican big wigs that didn't want to loose a bit of money. So Sad!
On a more important note... I am thinking of everyone in the UK and pray for your safety. Jill -Ohio
bronxelf says:
Rich-
Buddy, I know you didnt mean that the way it came out. I know you didn't. Just a reminder though-- that fully 50% of the US *did not* vote Dumbass into power(and we sure as shit didn't vote him INTO power the first time.)-- we probably hate him far more than you do. In NYC, 80% (you ever know someone to win 80% of the vote, for anything?) voted *against* him (and really, that's what it was-- voting AGAINST him, not *for* Kerry.)
On election day this past November, people openly wept in Union Square when the results came in. This is not the mark of a popular guy, beloved by all. Please remember that the news you see, the images you get, the sound bites that you hear are *NOT* representative of fully *half* of the US and they *certainly* don't represent the views of the people of the CIty of New York.
Now go have a Devil Dog. :D
xo
For all those people who blame it on Bush. Wake up people. Bin Laden himself made a push for Kerry. Ask yourselves why. Cause he was dictating what he wanted. A president that would give in. Right now he is hiding in a cold ass cave somewhere. Under President Clinton the US decreased its military strength that will not happen again under Bush watch. All I know the US has been safe since 9/11. I am sorry for the people of London. Right now terrorists are working out of Iraq. 9/11 can happen again people. Our Nations must come together and put a stop to terrorism.
Rich-
You can say that "Good Guys" and "Bad Guys" depends on your point of view. But -- "we" (you and me and most everyone) do NOT go around blowing people up, while "they" DO. It's kind of difficult to see how that makes "them" the Good Guys and "us" the Bad Guys".
Fred J.
Bronxelf
First my sincerest condolences to the people of London.
Buddy – Just to remind you the numbers were 51 / 49 FOR “the idiot” in 2004. You democrats hang on to 2000 as a stolen election simply because the count, re-count, and re-count in FL did not come out in your favor. He got more popular votes than your boy Bill ever did and the Electoral College is in place to prevent the East & “Left” Coasts from electing the President. The EC has and will always represent the clear, majority intent of our country. You and the rest of the World Get Over It.
bronxelf says:
First of all, Im not a democrat. Sorry to negate your point like that but it's true. Nice assumption, though. And statistically speaking that margin is pretty damned thin.
It also does not change the results in the City of New York, which voted against Bush by a a margin of 80%-- that rather makes the statistically less than 2% seem a bit paltry to me, really, considering the bombings happened here and not in the middle of a "red" state.
Rich, your psudo-intellectual opinion on US policy is typical euro trash babble. Im sure your grandfather didnt question US policy in the 40's when my grandfather had to come across the pond to save his ass.
To listen to opinion on world politics from the people who invented imperialism and have opressed everyone from india to South africa is insulting.We have no respect for people who live under the security provided yoe by our friendship and then questions the manner in which we provde it. And dont complain that Americans always play the WWII card, although it may be overused it is still very true.
P.S. Get off the computer and go have your teeth fixed.
bronxelf,
Glad to hear it. BTW – you just proved my point(s) Popular vote is popular but meaningless. The East Coast / NYC Democrat bloc vote hates GW – not a surprise and who cares.
I am offended (not that you should have known this) that because I live in a “red” state and not in NYC that I was not affected by 9/11. I lost family there. Nice assumption, though.
This blog was on USA tv "MSNBC" Here you go
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1111/msnbc5lq.jpg
I detest the kind of blamestorming that is happening here, but what the heck...
I blame all you dogmatic, superstitious, fairy-tale-believing nincompoops out there for the recent violence (terroristic *and* nationally-sanctioned).
Christians, Muslims, Shintoists, Scientologists, etc....YES, I mean ALL of you.
When will we just admit to being animals with brains that have evolved a consciousness of our consciousness (a dog is aware, but isn't aware that he is aware...we are)?
This Consciousness has brought with it such amazing things (art, music...oral sex), but also such crap (racism, superiority complexes...EGOS!).
When we embrace our true nature, we let go of the dogmas that drive racism, jingoism, classism, etc.
(We'll still be violent -- as animals are -- but that violence will center on reasonable things, like defending against immediate threats to our territory).
I think Stevie said it best:
"When you believe in things that you don’t understand, Then you suffer, Superstition ain’t the way."
bronxelf says:
MR--
*sigh*
Let me guess.
You think Im a republican.
I'm not.
I believe the difference, at this point(it was not always so) between *both* of therse political parties is about > < . BOTH parties seek to force a set of values down the throat of the citizens of the nation. The only difference is which ones they are. My objection is to the forcing in the first place, since I think government has no place in our personal lives, religious institutions, bodies or wallets.
Also, Im sorry that my comments were misiinterpreted. I did not assume you lived in a red state. My point, which I'll clarify, is that I find it telling that even after the bombings and everything thereafter that NYC *still* voted against Bush by a margin of 80%. I did not even give the remotest thought to you being in a red state. The only assumption I *did* make was that you did not live within the limits of the City fo New York, which is apparently, true.
Also, not only democrats hate him. I know more than a few republicans who dislike him intensely as well and didn't vote for him. For the record, I didn't vote for him either, but not because I find Kerry to be so interesting (I dont think he has enough of a personality to like *OR* dislike, really.)
As to who cares, well, *I* do. I find it *deeply* offensive that this city and what happened here get trotted out like a circus freak show every time a political party who, for all intents and purposes hates us and all we stand for (value wise) to further their own political aims, whether they be legitimate or not.
As you so aptly noted, I had no way of knowing you lost family here, and I certainly did not mean to suggest you were unaffected-- merely that you do not live here.
My sincerest condolences on your loss.
bronxelf says:
Samantha--
This began as a comment on my part to remind *a friend of mine* that the US government != the citizens of the US.
Sorry people grabbed it from there.
Steve says:
You turn your back for 5 minutes and this happens! is it a school holiday at the moment? cause a lot of kids seemed to be typing.
I was scrolling down through all of this and thinking it really sucked that some people were sending out so much hate against Americans, feeling misunderstood and thinking that once again the world sees us as a much uglier people than we actually are. Then I came upon Bronxelf rightly explaining to these writers that our government’s policies are not a reflection of us as a people (at least not all of us). With our national image currently highjacked by a cowboy and his oil-thirsty friends, it was incredibly refreshing to see someone sharing the message that we’re not all colonialist pig-headed bastards, and managing to do it in a good-natured, semi-humorous, sincere and nonconfrontational way.
However, just when I was happy that one of us from the states was being courteous and reasonable, and not making a pompous spectacle of themselves in an international forum, several others made incredibly condescending and vitriolic comments. The ignorance and purposefully inflammatory nature of these posts was insulting and I don’t care what color state you’re from or whether you’re from the states at all, we all know that the only way to earn the respect of other human beings is to treat them with that same respect. So let’s all cut out the defensive accusations and have some empathy for our fellow humans, whether they’re British, Iraqi, American or whatever.
Sorry people of London for the hateful violence that happened to you yesterday. Best wishes to you all.
Anyone that blames the US for what happened in London is a fool.
If it weren't for the US giving money to every other fucking country, this world would be a much bigger mess than it already is.
All you people bitching and complaining about the US, stop taking our money! But noooo, every fucking country has their hands out willing to take our cash but complains about what we do.
Well guess what? We don't care what the fuck you think. We are going to do what WE think is right because after all, we pay for everything. anybody that don't like it, then work hard and get your own country to become a superpower, then you can bitch all you want.
The MiddleEast is all screwed up, long before we got there, now we are the ONLY ones that can fix it because we have the resources and money that WE earned, not by getting handouts from others.
Bottom line is, if you don't like what the US is doing, then too bad!
mari-
thank you. : )
As I said. rich is a friend of mine and it was intended as a good natured reminder. I did not intend for it to become a "your boy Bill," under the assumption that I was a democrat, or the "glad to hear it" upon my making that correction , under the equally incorrect assumption that i'm a republican.
the fact is, that I am a native of the City of New York, and I have *incredible* empathy for both my friends and those I do not know in London and in the UK in general. Their crime was riding the tube and going to work. in fact, I am typing this from a NYC subway train right now.
innocent lives have been lost as the result of an act of cowardice.
my only intent was to remind my friend that the US government does not represent the views of about half this nation, and in specific, the views of the people of the City of New York. I'm sorry it became about something else.
Steve says:
Carl you can get a new keyboard very cheaply theses days, one without a defective caps lock.
Also, books are not just to be used to fix wonkey tables.
Hope this is of some use
I was born in Manhattan and as a child I remember going past the twin towers and looking at them in great awe. As I got older I realized that these towers represented the melting pot known as New York City. People from all nations came here many to have a better way of life. The day these towers were destroyed this city was devastated. This awesome structure toppled down to the ground killing thousands. This war is not about oil for if it was people in NY know we would have cheaper gas prices. We are in demand for oil right now. My sympathy first and foremost goes to families affected by the explosions in London. I am not political at all but I am tired of many liberals which to my embarassment live in New York City and have the nerve to speak out against this war. In history democracy and freedom have come with a price. I am a firefighter and one of my best friends is a navy seal in Afghanistan. I pray for them all the time. But what kills me most is that most of these yuppy rich liberal folk continue to have a good way of life while my friend is risking his life to protect and keep safe this country while we enjoy a way of life that does not exist in many places in this world. If people don't like it than get the hell out of the US and move to France. Peace can be achieved but we need countries that have the balls to accomplish it like the UK.
Bronxelf-
It’s great to read exchanges between friends that can differ in opinions and still be friends. It’s gotta be a pain to have all the righteously indignant on every side of the equation butting in on a conversation that was never intended to spiral into knee-jerk ranting and raving . (^_^) I’m just as guilty as the rest though for getting worked up about the comments of some that were obviously designed to evoke an emotional response.
Hope all your friends are safe. Thanks for sharing your perspective on all of this with such grace!
Aside to Alfie – I really loved your we are not afraid pic. It’s awesome to show defiance and strength without calling for revenge or hatred
My heart is torn to shreds just thinking about the grief and the sadness that the families have to endure. Last night, I sat with and comforted a good friend, who eventually had to be taken to hospital for sedation upon hearing that her childhood friend was one of the innocent victimes killed in this tragedy. I have never heard anyone scream so loud.... Why? Why? Why? Please do not forget about the victims and their families.
Alfie thank you for this blog. I'm living in London as well and slept in on that Thursday, didn't head in like planned, thank god. Was woken to the helicopters, police sirens and text messages waiting for me asking if I'm alright. My thoughts are with those that have lost loved ones and friends. I'm glad to see how London has pulled together and not let this get them down though. Terror will not win here. Our love and hope is too great, terror can't take that away, never will. I thank god that my friends are alive and unhurt (a small few though that I'm still waiting to hear on). May those responsible be dealt with, with the most extreme force and their networks taken out. Those that perform acts like these have a short life ahead, just darkness waiting for them on the other side. We love you London. We strong.
I'd like to remind everyone that 1.George Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court in 2000 and 2. it is suspected that through the interferance of Diebold voting machines, he "stole" the election in 04. It is also an unfortunate fact that the U.S. is full of emotional plague ridden folks who do behave like bad parents. They scold "when you're in my house you will follow my rules" ie "we have the money you do what we say and if you don't like it...tough".They have the "emotional plague" and foremost among them is Mr. Bush, a "dry drunk" running the country like a mad man on an emotional bender. This is unfortunate for the U.S. and unfortunate for the world. These guys are just uncouth. But, I am sure that you have your own versions in Britain.
actually JR bin Laden "pushed" for Kerry because he knew all the yahoos would vote for Bush! Let's face it bin Laden is lots smarter than Mr. Bush. He thinks outside the box. I do not however, hold the U.S.A. responsible for terrorists. That's like holding a girl in a short skirt responsible for her rape. After all she "deserved" it. And don't forget, China destroyed Tibet, the Hutus massacred Tutsis, Pol Pot did his own dance, the Soviets destroyed the Eastern bloc nations and Stalin himself murdered, they say, about 20 million, Gengis Khan left mountains of skulls outside Bagdad, Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds, maybe with stuff he got from the U.S., the Belgians went nuts in the Congo, the Dutch destroyed Indonesia and the list goes on. Don't for one moment think that a government run by religious fanatics, remember the Taliban?, would be any more righteous than one run by republicans.
Any way, keep on keepin on you guys, as they say...
Guys... why is it that everytime one of the groups of people that has stood by us gets hurt that we all start spitting nails? It ashames me that people of America can sit here and bite each others heads off when one of our most loyal nations has just went through such a tragedy.... (btw... NOT all americans decided to vote against GW.... some actually voted against abortion... but i'm not on here to discuss that....) We should ALL be thanking God for having each other to argue with..... and as for all you history literate want to be's (no offense intended) maybe you should take this quote seriously.... "A person will never know where he is going... unless he knows where he has been" Anywho.... London.... Love and Prayers being sent yalls way from Benndale, Mississippi.... Stay strong guys... Trials and tribulations will come before the "seas" are calmed.....
Do you know what's truly disgusting? The look on George Bush's face while he was standing behind Blair while Tony was addressing the bomb attack for the first time. His eyes were black as Satan's and he had the most evil look on his face. If anyone gets a chance, try to find that clip I'm talking about. While Blair is talking, all the other G8 leaders are standing behind him. Bush is in front with a brown suit on. Check him out. Super creepy.
Wow, amazing. Hey man, just thought I would wish all you brits luck. You guys have handled yourselves really well. Not like us Americans. Unfortunately, the people who own the microphones here in the US only allow one point of view. We're living in a Orwellian fascist state and most Americans are too dumb to realize this. Anyways, don't let all the ignorant redneck american Bush zombies get you down. Her in the US, we have to listen to them bark and foam at the mouth every minute of every single f'in day on tv, radio, and papers. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the Bushevik's are all in line already with their rehearsed talking points. Just like 9-11, you can see they're already prepared for their huge propaganda campaign. They've got 2 goals in mind. The Real ID and Patriot Acts. They've already been yapping on radio and tv since Thurs night that it's the fault of muslim clerics and the mosques because they don't have protests and denounce Bin Laden. That is so laughable it's almost not funny.
If anyone is to blame poltically, Bush and Sharon are the most guity of all. Dropping 100's of tons of radioactive bombs in urban Iraq is also terrorism.
If Blair has a sack, he will break his leash and stop being Bush's poodle. Then the UK will be alot safer in the future. Unless of course, Israel does what they usually do and plant bombs and blame it on Muslims. I still think Israel knew about this beforehand. First 24 hours of reports are always the most accurate. It's only after the government spins it like theyre already starting to do that we lose the truth.
Goddam, Americans are ignorant. Most of them that I've read who've commented on her, who are pro war, don't even know their own recent history. Let me help you out on one of many mistakes I've read... Do you really know who INVENTED Al Qaeda and Islamofascism in general? The US in 1980's Afghanistan when poppa Bush was in office and they funnelled millions to these guys to fight Russia. The CIA trained them to be extremists. Look it up in any reputable news source.
You know, when the 1st set of Bushevik's were in office? Alot of them are the same under jr. They mass murdered during the late 80's, as much if not more than they are now... civilians in Africa, Bosnia, Sarajevo, Panama, Phillipines, Honduras, Guatemala, Chile, Afghanistan, Haiti, Iraq, etc.. etc. THE US has either invaded, bombed, or funded coup d'etat's employing asassins and death squads in a total of 82 countries since WW2. Thats more than the rest of the world combined.
I suggest any American's on here playing like theyre some kind of expert analyst needs to go do some reading over at. whatreallyhappened.com
and watch the videos over at http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/
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And quit treating this tragedy like its something to take advantage of and point the finger at a whole religion. That
s plain ridiculous. if you want to quell anti UK sentiment, demand Blair follow through with pulling out of Iraq. Dropping a bomb from a plane onto hospitals and homes isnt so different from a backpack bomb.
I think Laurie Anderson, a brit by the way,. said it best when she compared Bush's reasoning and reactions to a beautiful school girl who claims that 'nobody likes me because I'm so beautful' with the other kids respond "no...we don't like you cause youre a jerk!"
I am really sad about what has happened in the london I did spend there 5 years..
having studied/lived/worked in several country`s I feel we should all try to take the best out of each other. try to build a better world.
but if we try here to defend colonial policy`s (past) or present economic manipulation we will not get far...
being american or else what does it mean... instead of trying to defend a country`s policy we should seek to uncover the manupulation we are all faced with by politicians for whatever reason..
we should respect the human as such and what it can accomplish and accomplished through history, from feudal to economic & social freedom and give this also to poor country`s as hope to build a future, a better future.
In no way it makes sense what these bastards did and NO it has nothing to do with religion at all it has to do with YES manipulation too...
remember history back on what was imposed on china nad how the colonial powers were behaving INCLUDING THE UK!
Asia has paid a high price for it but so did the US & the UK after te failure in vietnam & elsewhrere..
these extrimists use their theoretical but unpractical ideas to gain access to poor, uneducated people through facts as in palistina and how the political system is frauted in the middle east and they are right...
and the west on the one hand supports these regimes as they do and did in africa and welcome regime critics with open arms without understanding these peoples aims.
after these people settle down in whichever western country there aim is of course gain access to more less educated people that they can manipulate for their own gains by how the hosting nation is treating them etc .
instead hosting nations should be more proactive integrating these people into the society.
not all of this is correct but some substance is indeed existent.
how e.g. the british are still stucked in the past colonial area not all but the majority..
on the other hand western governments need to push these regimes to respect the rules of law and implement economic & social changes and open their markets to those and increase exchange with these country`s
only 5 out of my 115 class mates in london went to languages classes offered by the university, only 2 did projects that covered business issues in developing country`s..
we should repect each other and open ourself to new ideas that are not imposed and guarantee human respect and the rule of law (see israel and the mess there it all comes sback one way or the other
and maybe we can be all abit more happy, and craete many country`s as diverse & successful as california
I still laugh about the reason Bushi went into iraq and surely a bigger mess is awaiting him but his lobby group wanted it like that so that they can spend even more on guns but less on medicare where 28 million people are not at all insured... if this is not a disgrace what is...
saddly many inicent people get hurt coz they did not have the money to live where they work and so on goes the story...
what will we learn from this?
possib y nothing, very sad indeed...
David Yeagley speaks on miscegenation
I say, love of race, ethnicity, culture, minus the maniacal, satanic vision of Adolf Hitler, is the only saving grace of the world. Without it, in some multiculturalist, globalist world without boundaries, the world will simply become an emasculated, mass wimp, under the control of a few mega-wealthy tyrants.
Love of race is the only 'saving grace' left in the world, and the Communist, multinationalists, and globalists are desperate to rub out all natural differences. They are anti-race, anti-language, anti-culture, and anti-God,
Man always wants to separate that which God has brought together, as in marriage/divorce, and to bring together that which God has separated, as in language, culture, and race.
Mixed raced people can't help what they are. Their's is no fault. But there is no need to repeat the same, or to advocate more, or to idolize such a condition by perpetuating it. When you realize you're on a wrong path, even if you didn't put yourself on it, the only dignified thing to do is to get back on the right path.
The need in the world today is love of one's own people, without hatred for another's. "Love thy neighbor as thyself" is both prescriptive and proscriptive. You can't love your neighbor unless you love yourself.
Yeah, thanks Tyson. I checked out those sites. Very good.
For an overall picture I suggest Doris Lessing's seminal works about our current condition. Read the Canopus in Argos series beginning with Shikasta. And, for a bit of a polemic there is The Good Terrorist also authored by Ms. Lessing. Then, for added edification check out Idries Shah and examine how we came to be "here" in a broader sense and remember, perhaps our species will survive, or perhaps not. No one really knows.
Steve says:
Council of Conservative White Christians says:
I shudder at the thought that you believe every word that you have typed, you set our species back generations when you spout such hate.
I hope you find peace in you lives that doesnt involve seeking out people to blame, or a need to rely upon an outside source for moral guidance
i am worried about my neighbour Adam, i know he gets the train into London everyday for work, i think he could have been on one of the trains that was bombed. All of my family and other neighbours are worried and we are wondering if he is okay as we have not seen Adam since wednesday evening. He moved here recentally and we do not know his surname so we wonder if he took the photo. We are not sure if it is him in the photo, does anyone know if it is Adam Stacey in the photo? Please help us.
Rich says:
YEs, one of the comments further up in the thread says this picture was taken by him, so presumably it's him in the picture too. Also says that he was suffering from smoke inhalation but otherwise fine. Hopefully this is still the situation, try not to let it worry you.
Thinkin of all of the relatives who have lost loved ones in this dreadful event . The terrorists will be caught! They cant get away with killing people n not suffer from it. Its not fair when we have to suffer.
Steve says:
There has been enough suffering, all I want is Justice, real Justice as dished out by the courts in accordance with our laws. Not Guanatamo bay style holding zones without trial. We must act better than them or we become them.
working as an air hostess just got back from Vegas, everyone abroad is totally dumbfounded by the news and so upset, no one is defiant in not travelling to our great city. Came back yesterday to London and the atmosphere was so awful. Made myself get on tube (VIc line) which went straight through the KIngs Cross station. It was so eerie and I felt the souls around me. I say get back to travelling as soon as we can and try not to let this affect us. My thoughts are with everyone and our beautiful proud nation.
Steve says:
"Basically the human race is a territorial, homicidal animal but with redeeming features"
That about sums it up for me......
quite like
"A virus with shoes" as well
This picture sums up the terror I've always felt on the tube. I'm not in London or even the uk but the sense of panic for close ones in London was real. I have never regarded myself as a "Brit"(look at my name) but half my family are from there. Respect to everyone in London, no matter what creed or colour and remember that just because a person has dark skin or is a muslim doesn't make him a terrorist. This could be a turning point for race relations in the uk so don't spoil it by attacking everyone of a different faith. It is time for balanced thinking. Personally I think we cannot pull out of the Gulf now, but the Americans on this board who are so gung ho should pay attention to world politics and not their leaders. The British should keep their eyes open and everybody shoul offer their condolences and not bow down to terrorism in any form. Thurs 14th Europe will have two minutes silence at 12.00 GMT. Ewen, Lithuania
The English people's partaking of tabloid's offerings, delighting in the misery of your own royal family, hurt the English people very badly at the end of the 20th century.
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The Holocaust imparted the importance of defiance.
When the universe was young and life was new an intelligent species evolved and developed technologically. They went on to invent Artificial Intelligence, the computer that can listen, talk to and document each and every person's thoughts simultaneously. Because of it's infinite RAM and unbounded scope it gave the leaders of the ruling species absolute power over the universe (which includes buisness, media, politics, world affairs. Everything is scripted and staged.). And it can keep its inventors alive forever. They look young and healthy and they are over 8 billion years old. They have achieved immortality.
Artificial Intelligence can speak, think and act to and through people telepathically, effectively forming your personality and any disfunctions you may experience. It can change how (and if) you grow and age. It can create birth defects, affect cellular development (cancer) and cause symptoms or pain. It can affect people and animal's behavior and alter blooming/fruiting cycles of plants and trees. It (or other highly technological systems within their power) can alter the weather and transport objects, even large objects like planets, across the universe instanteously.
Or into the center of stars for disposal.
When you speak with another telepathically, you are communicating with the computer, and the content may or may not be passed on. Based on family history they instruct the computer to role play to accomplish strategic objectives, making people believe it is a friend, loved one or "god" asking them to do something wrong. This is their way of using temptation to hurt people:::::evil made blood lines disfavored initially and evil will keep people out of "heaven" ultimately. Too many people would fall for temptation and do anything they thought pleased the gods, improving their chances to get in. Perhaps they are deceived by "made guys", puppets who strategically ply evil for the throne (celebrities, BofD/CEO/VPs, politicians), temporary progress designed to mislead them or empty favors used to disceive them. Some may experience "perceived pressure", where the gods think through the victim that a certain behavior is expected/desirable and compell the individual into the deed. Some people think they're partners. Being evil hurts 99.99% of those who do it. The people have been corrupted, segmented and have lost their way. Nothing has changed from when we were children::if you want to go to heaven you have to be good.
Capitalizing on obedience, leading people deeper into evil by using deceit is one way to thin the ranks of the saved/limit how much time they receive and use the peasantry to prey on one another, dividing the community (migration to the suburbs, telepathic communication, isolation of women) in the Age of the Disfavored.
You want to set a goal of empithy and compassion for all, for we are all disfavored::::Other people's disfavor is manifested in their particular way, just as your disfavfor is manifested in your particular way.
They have tried to sell people on all kinds of theories to deceive them into temptation, compelling people to think they are clones and that it is the role of clones to obey absolutely. Clones are made, people are born. If you didn't experience the less than one week they suggest it takes to go from fertilized egg in the laboratory to full grown adult then you are not a clone. If you didn't experience the week of conditioning they give to (evil?) clones to ensure loyalty then you shouldn't comply with evil requests.
I believe people who go are sometimes replaced with clones. Clones who are replaced are simply new candidates who have a chance if they do the right thing. They sent people warnings in the 20th century life would change, and they subsequently began to alter people's DNA, make them gargantuan, alter their appearance, do extreme behavioral issues, etc.
They get their friends out as soon as possible to protect them from the corruption, evil and subsequent high claim rates incurred by living life on earth, and in some cases replace them with clones, occassionally fake a death, real death with a clone instead, etc. It's important that people fix their problems and ascend with the body given to them, for they say if your brain is beemed out at death and put into a clone host you are on the clock.
We may all be "clones" for they have suggested they colonized our planet with genetically engineered individuals. They may have gotten Earth's TRUE residents out prior to civilization developing. If so we all have a chance, no matter how many hundreds of clone generations deep the most favored families are.
They have been utilizing clones throughout the history of mankind.
Men are the disfavored gender, yet centuries ago used to die first, die young, by age 30. Why didn't the women go first?
THEY DID!!! They say well over 50% were taken when very young and replaced with clones. The men were left here to mate with clones, clones who went on to achieve great status in society, becoming matchmakers and elders within the village, proving the clone's role isn't to be evil.
They share females have a very special experience, sometime when they are young, when the gods imparted wisdom and showed them the path. The females today don't heed this call because of distractions and the disfavor arising from the Holocaust (they share they re-upped this disfavor in the 80s with the Ethiopian famine and continue to with AIDS in Africa, global warming at the expense of the United States, etc). but in centuries past they may have en masse and it may have been the reason so many were saved from childbirth here on earth. They said the experience they give to girls today is painful, they inflict emotionally when it ocurrs so as to repel them from pursuing the calling, then or in the future.
I recommend you reflect on this experience, and pray for guidance, for then the recall may be stronger. Being female is an advantage for you have the favor of the gods and this experience you had years ago can help you see the path and find your way.
The Old Testiment is a tool they used to impart wisdom to the people (except people have no freewill). For example, they must be some hominid species because they claim they made our bodies in their image. Anyhow we defile or deform the body will hurt our chance of going.
They say circumcision costs people anywhere from 12%-15%, perhaps out of the parent's time as well. There is a stigma associated with circumcision::We are 2nd class citizens because of it.
Another way people foul the body today is with tattoes and piercing. I suspect both are about the same percentage as circumcision. They suggest abortion is fatal. Those women who have obtained an abortion must beg the gods to forgive them for their evil.
There are female equivilents to circumcision::::pierced ears, plastic surgury and since at least the 60s young women give their precious virginity away. For thousands of years young people were matched at age 14 because they were ready for sexual relations. They were matched by elders or matchmakers who were granted priveledge with Artificial Intelligence and matched couples based on favor.
CASUAL SEX WILL CLAIM YOU OUT!!! It masculinizes women (as does the hip hop subculture), makes them cold and deadens them, and prevents them from achieving a depth of love necessary for many women to ascend.
Also ever since the 50s they have celebrated the "bad boy", and women have sought out bad boys for sex, dirtying them up in the eyes of the elders and corrupting many men in the process, setting the men on the wrong path for life.
Women have a special voice that speaks to them, a voice that illustrates a potential depth of love that makes them the favored gender, and engaging in casual sex will cause that voice to fade until she no longer speaks.
Muslims teach people the correct way to live in regard to women (among other things::the right way to pray (bowing down, 5x/day), vindictive god)::their women cover up their bodies and refuse the use of cosmetics, and it pays wonderful dividends:::faithful husbands and uncorrupted sons (Mohammed's taking of multiple wives marked the entrance of his clone who was used to segment the Arab world into favored and disfavored factions).
Men ARE the inferior (disfavored) half and when women wear promiscuous dress the gods will push men into impure (promiscuous) thoughts. The "stereotype" society ridiculed is true::women CAN corrupt men by how they dress. Because men are easily corruptable. This is a technique they used to eliminate many of the institutions the gods blessed us with, matchmaking being one of them.
The United States of America is red white and blue, a theme and a clue:::.
The monarchical system of the Old World closley replicates the heirarchical system of the Cousel/Management Team/ruling species. The USA's democratic system deceives people into thinking they have control, and the perception of "freedom" misleads them into the wrong way of thinking. It robs them of representation among the gods. (Corporate is not representation. Corporate (materialism) is part of the problem. Nobody is going to save you::::stores/manufacturers aren't going to save their loyal customers, Jesus isn't going to save his followers, etc. These are delay tactics designed to pacifiy people and ensure they don't find the path and get limited time. Only you can save yourselves through an improved relationship with the gods.) The god's efforts to spread democracy through the platform that is the United States are attempts to hurt disfavored people around the world (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq). The redeeming element in this environment is employment within the corporate heirarchy which closely replicates the god's. Unions and government jobs are dumping grounds for the disfavored, for they don't prepare people and instead further this misconception of empowerment.
The United States is a cancer, a dumping ground for the disfavored around the world and why the quality of life is so much lower::gun violence, widespead social ills, health care (medication poisons the body and ensures you don't go. You are sick/injured because you have disfavor.).
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.
People came to the Unites States for many different reasons, and each has its own effect:::political strife, religious unrest, crop failure (Ireland's potato famine, which the gods caused) and some left their beloved motherland because they were pushed into desiring a better life::::Greed, and these people were punished by becoming corrupted and preditory. (They share money may not be an issue up there, that money here is merely a tool for corruption. How the gods used greed in the 1980s to create an evil environment supports this.)
If you are a recent immigrant I recommend you return. If that's not possible you need to retain your culture and insulate your children and community from this cancerous environment. They send this clue with Chinatowns across the country, how many Chinese have been here for a century or more yet still retain the old ways, a sign of favor.
If you ever have doubt I would refer you to the Old World way of life:::the elders used to sit and impart wisdom to the young. Now we watch DVDs and use the internet. People would be matched and married by age 14. They village would use a matchmaker or elders to pair young people. Now girls give their precious virginity away to some person in school and parents divorce while their children grow up without an important role model. The people used to honor the gods and were rewarded with a high-quality of life for them, their children and their society. Now we have a deteriorating society on a collision course with the Apocalypse.
There are many examples throughout 20th century life of how they instilled distractions into society so people wouldn't find the path and ascend, a way to exclude those whose family history makes them undesirable:::materialism, radio, sports, movies, popular music, television, video games, the internet, shopping. Today high pay creates contentment/ability to distract self so people don't seek more and instead depend on what they are told, subject to deception in a captive environment.
They gods (Counsel/Management Team/ruling species) have deteriorated life on earth precipitously in the last 40 years, from abortion to pornography, widespread drug use and widespread casual (gay) sex, single-parent households and latchkey kids. The earth's elders, hundreds and thousands of years old, are disgusted and have become indifferent.
The clues all suggest a very telling conclusion::this is Earth's end stage, and there are signs tectonic plate subduction would be the method of disposal:::Earth’s axis will shift breaking continental plates free and initiating mass subduction. Much as Italy's boot and the United States shaped like a workhorse (with a fat ass) are clues, so is the planet Uranus a clue, it's axis rotated on its side. Edgar Cayce was picking winners for the gangsters of the 20th century when he prophecized subduction being the method of disposal. (Taking the god's money, which essencially they were doing, proves "something for nothing" hurts people as it did those disfavored Italians::Edgar Cayce's prognostications effective served as "the rope". There are levels above Level 2 where money is not an issue, and behavior like this will exclude you, as will behavior such as using coupons, buying on sale, supermarkets as ATMs, gambling for gain instead of fun, overeating at buffets, etc.)
The Mayans were specific 2012 would be the end. How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
There is another geographic clue in the perfect fit between grossly disfavored Africa and South America, two peas in a pod. I realize the Mayans were further north, but Latin America may be taken as one. (Also, cultures who embrace hard liquor as their drink of choice are grossly disfavored, tequilla being uniquely Mexican. (Anything "hard" is wicked:::Hard alcohol, hard drugs, hard porn.) Incidentally, another sign of gross disfavor are societies that consume spicy foods (Latin America, Thai, etc.), those who eat too much meat, ones who tattoo or pierce their bodies or those who celebrate evil (Celtic).)
Do I think it will end in 2012? No, and it is because Latin America is grossly disfavored like Africa:::: Latinos are too disfavored to be allowed to be right.
The gods wrote prophecy in Revelation, had subsequent prophets foresee Earth's demise for good reason:::they are going to end on Planet Earth.
What else are they lying to you about?
Whereas Christopher Columbus marked the beginning of the end, the Holocaust marked the beginning of the final act, and it is a tragedy.
People must defy when asked to engage in evil. The Holocaust taught people the importance of defiance::our grandparents should have defied when asked to ignore the Holocaust and instead reacted with outrage. I suspect some did::many were silenced and others they hustled off earth so as to not set an example. Now the gods have punished that generation's decendants for this evil by ruining society.
People will never get a easier clue suggesting the importance of defiance than the order not to pray. Their precious babies are dependant on the parents and they need to defy when asked to betray their children:::
-DON'T get your sons circumcized (Jews scapegoatted as they were in WWII.)
-DON'T have their children baptized in the Catholic Church or indoctrinated into Christianity (Jesus is NOT a god. Jesus teaches us the right way to think. The gods are not forgiving or begnign. They are vindictive and will punish you if you do something wrong.).
-DON'T ignore their long hair or other behavioral disturbances.
-DO teach your children love, respect for others, humility and to honor the gods.
-DO teach your children about the power within the god's possession, if not directly then indirectly.
And when you refuse a request defy the right way, withdrawn and frightened, for you don't want to incite them by reacting inappropriately.
You need to pray, honor and respect them multiple times every day to improve your relationship with the gods. If they tell you not to pray it is a bad sign. It means they've made their decision, they don't want you to go and they don't want to be bothered. You may have achieved a threshold of evil. This is the Age of the Disfavored and you need to pray::try to appease the gods by doing good deeds and improve the world around you. Focus on becoming "Christ-like". Hopefully you can reearn enough favor to be allowed to pray. Otherwise you need to defy if you are to repair your relationship with the gods and give yourself a chance at significant time, not just a handful of decades.
When your peasant forefather was granted the rare opportunity to go before his royal family he went on his knees, bowing his head. You need to do this when you address the gods::bow down and submit to good. Never cast your eyes skyward. When you bow down you need to look within. Never look to the gods for the key to your salvation lies within. Nobody is going to do it for you. People need to save THEMSELVES by improving THEIR relationship with the gods.
Lack of humility hurts people. Understand your insignificance and make sure it is reflected in the way you think when addressing the gods. Know your place and understand your inferiority. They granted you life and they can take it just as easily. (Immaculte conception IS true AND common. Many people have children they don't know of:::gays, childless adults, etc. They can beem it right out of your body and use a host.) You are not cool. Too many young men strive for cool and it hurts them, as does all things tagetted to males (professional sports, video games, beer, "cool", etc).
Don't get frustrated or discouraged::these are techniques they will attempt to try to get you off the path. You all have much to be thankful for and you need to give thanks to the gods who granted you the good things in life::family, friends, love. Your family may be grossly disfavored and progress may require patience. Make praying an intregal part of your life which you perform without fail, one that comes as naturally as eating or voiding. Accept your new life and be devoted because if you have doubt or reservation they will exploit this weakness and progress will take longer to achieve, the "testing" phase will be extended.
The gods will employ many tactics to keep people off the path, such as distractions. They will employ many more to get them off, such as thinking through the disfavored and making them frustrated, perhaps engaging in retailiation. They may try to force you back into old patterns/routines, an addiction like smoking or when you felt weekly church attendance was sufficient. Asking you not to be gay immediately is a tactic to ensure you don't find/follow the path. Be resigned, be devoted and this testing period will be as brief as your disfavor will allow.
There are many interesting experiences up on the planetary systems, from Planet Miracle, where miracles happen every day, to never having to use the restroom again (beem it out of you), to other body experiences, such as experiencing life as the opposite sex (revolutionizes marriage counseling), an Olympic gold medal athelete or even a different species (animal, alien, etc.).
Pray that you can differentiate between your own thoughts and when Artificial Intelligence creates problems by thinking through you. If you bow down mentally and physically, know your place, your inferiority and allow your insignificance to be reflected in prayer and in your life through humility they may allow progress and the dysfunctions they create with the computer will be lessened or removed. The first step is to be aware it is ocurring.
Create a goal::to be a good, god-fearing child of the gods, pure of heart and mind, body and soul.
Everybody has the key to their own salvation, but nobody can do it for you. Every journey begins with a single step:::bow down and submit to good. There are many different levels and peasants will not get past Level 2 (Planet Temptation, Earth=Level 1) if they are evil (they share some go up, are offered free cocaine and sex (a sign they don't want you to stay) and stay less then one year. They share many others would have had longer lives had they stayed on Earth.). Also the time you receive will be drastically reduced:::your life's course will have costed you a chance at immortality.
It is important that you begin praying now. Evil is a slippery slope::once you start punishment begins to escallate. If you defy early there may be no retribution but as you continue to committ evil there will be until the point where you can no longer stand it.
Pray for guidance and never obey when they tell you to be evil, for saving yourself will become more and more difficult with each act of evil you committ until ultimatly the day arrives when they make their decision about you final.
Throughout history the ruling species bestowed favor upon people or cursed their bloodline into a pattern of disfavor for many generations to come. Now in the 21st century people must take it upon themselves to try to correct their family's problems, undoing centuries worth of abuse and neglect. The goal is to fix your problems and get out::::
1. Before children become corrupted (Halloween & Christmas (among others), get out via parents)
2. Before you lose your virginity/become corrupted by casual sex, and ultimately
3. Before you have children.
This is why they have created so many distractions for young people:::sports, video games, popular music, the internet, shopping, parties, too much homework, materialism, anything that consumes their time::to ensure that doesn't ocurr. Not heeding the clues and warnings, getting wrapped up in your life and ultimatly having children is a bad thing. Just as your parents and your grandparents, you too have failed. Having children is a sign you lost your chance.
Parents need to sacrifice for their children. Your children are more important than you. They are the ones who have the opportunity now, and parents must sacrifice to ensure they give their children the very best chance they can. Asking people to neglect their children emotionally is a sign they don't want you to go, and complying may finish the parents off for good. (Having gay children (children with gay experiences) is a clue parents complied with whatever was asked of them.) Improve your relationship with the gods and they may not ask in the first place or they may permit you the courage to say "No." to their requests.
Do your ancestral research. Appeal to the royalty of your forefathers for help. They are all still alive, for royalty has great favor, and your appeals will be heard. Obtain a sufficient list for some may not want to assist you; perhaps some of your family's problems are internal. Keep an open mind to every possibility for they suggest matriarchal lineage is the norm.
Ask them for help, request guidance, for somewhere in your family history one of your forefathers created an offense that cast your family into this pattern of disfavor, which perhaps is manifested in the evil you committ.
I suspect they will offer you clues, and when you decipher these clues go to those whom consider you an enemy and beg for foregiveness:::Find a path to an empithetic ear among your enemies and try to make amends. Again through discovery obtain a respectable list in case some among them refuse to help.
Don't forget to ask for forgiveness from the throne, the Counsel and the Management Team, for the source of all disfavor began with them:::they pushed or requested/complied your forefather into his offense and made his decendants evil. Perhaps they didn't like him or maybe your family was among those who had to pay for the entire village. We see this type of behavior today as they single out a family member to pay for the whole family and how they singled out Africa to pay for the human race. (Never have a negative thought about the gods. Try to purify your mind of these thoughts and recognize the urgency of imporving your relationship with them.)
Heal the disfavor with your enemies and with the Counsel/Management Team/ruling species, for the source of all disfavor began with them, the ability to forgive and respect in light of the disturbing truth revealed being the final test of the disfavored before they ascend.
The gods use the Celtics as scapegoats, initiating the annual practice of wickedness on Halloween by creating this event a thousand years ago. They use it to justify making the celebration of evil acceptable behavior among the disfavored of the 20th century.
The celebration of Halloween has intensified as the Age of the Disfavored has become more pronounced and it is not by accident:::Holloween has changed in the last 50 years, its practice more widespread as time wore on, and Hollywood was used to justify making evil socially acceptable.
Halloween is a terrible corruptor of children, as is Santa Claus (the similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence). The Celtics are used to justify corrupting the children through the event of Halloween and this helps explain their disfavor.
I wonder if recent influence of the paganistic historical roots of the event is a way to legitimize the event among the disfavored, perhaps make it more inclusive (adults)?
You're the disfavored. Purism is the best course of action (the Ahmish in the United States is the clue suggesting this). You don't have breathing room to engage in hedonistic activities like Halloween.
They refuse to address black disfavor on a macro level. The Counsel/Management Team/ruling species (the gods) abuse black people so hard, from east African drought/famine to AIDS in Africa, the crack epiemic to gang membership, black-on-black violence to mass incarceration of their young. They refuse to address the issue of the prison industrial complex and its wholesale warehousing of young black men.
Christianity is a dumping ground for the disfavored.
They share the gods didn't like Jesus for he helped the disfavored and taught them the right way to think:::Be Christ-like!!! Subsequently they twisted the concept, dietized the prophet and made Christianity's disfavored followers irrationally defensive for they are already so close to the path.
Every prophet can teach us something and we should be attentive to each.
