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Salvation in a frying pan

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7th Mar 2007, 12:35   | tags:,,

seaneeboy says:

Is that meant to be vegetarian bacon?

Dude, nasty.

7th Mar 2007, 12:51

Steve says:

That's not a great pseudo bacon, I much prefer the quorn one.

7th Mar 2007, 12:55

yourhermione says:

me too please!

7th Mar 2007, 13:09

never did find a good substitute bacon so went back to pig eating... for a start it's oblong!

7th Mar 2007, 13:12

Steve says:

Quorn is proper rasher shaped, but I think I prefer the rectangle it works better with square bread.

Quite a fan of Yakult too

7th Mar 2007, 13:14

goonflower says:

Fake bacon rocks. It tastes like frazzles!

7th Mar 2007, 13:45

mat says:

For breakfast recently, I had american-style pancakes, topped with rashers of organically reared, free range, maple cured streaky bacon and drizzled with agave nectar (we were out of maple syrup).

Nothing you leaf-eating weirdos can come up with will ever top the pleasure of quality bacon. :)

7th Mar 2007, 13:56

goonflower says:

The other bits sound lovely, I'd be offended, but my own husband calls me a leaf-eating weirdo! :) I do genuinely think, though, that veggieism means you enjoy more interesting flavours because you notice herbs and spices more without the overpowering taste of the meat. But it bothers me not...each to their own!

7th Mar 2007, 14:06

mat says:

To paraphrase Anthony Bourdain: "To me, life without meat stock, pork fat, sausage, ham, organ meat, blue steak, fois gras, lamb, demiglace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living."

7th Mar 2007, 14:20

Steve says:

I don't doubt for a moment that I would love all of those things, but I don't not eat meat because of the flavour.

I like to think of myself as having the dietary habits of a teenage girl. (in style if not portion)

7th Mar 2007, 14:23

mat says:

so why don't you eat meat? I'm always interested to hear why people don't.

foie gras, by the way, is amazing. just incredible. one of the best things I've ever put in my mouth.

7th Mar 2007, 14:25

Steve says:

I'm an Atheist who thinks that this is all there is to life, we are just smarter animals. So to me it seems a bit unfair to eat something just because it's A: tasty, and B: a bit backwards mentally.

7th Mar 2007, 14:29

Steve says:

That and when I was 11 I fancied a girl who was vege and as a teenager I believed that would make her fall for me... It didn't... but it did make me think about it all.

7th Mar 2007, 14:30

mat says:

That's an interesting one. Different, certainly. Fair enough. You are missing out on a lot though.

For the record, my favourite one so far is a friend who won't eat meat because she feels that if she couldn't slaughter it herself, she shouldn't eat it.

7th Mar 2007, 14:38

Steve says:

And people that can't build cars shouldn't drive!

It's good to miss out sometimes.

7th Mar 2007, 14:42

goonflower says:

Was Anthony Bourdain a bit of a porker?! I don't eat meat because I'm kinda necrophobic. Your friend's reason is very good, mat. Trying to pull via veggieism when 11 is even better!

7th Mar 2007, 16:07

seaneeboy says:

Anthony bordain is a very skinny guy indeed :)

7th Mar 2007, 16:14

kel says:

Mm, notbacon. I'm very much a carnivore, but I like notbacon.

7th Mar 2007, 16:46

Helen says:

Is that morningstar?

7th Mar 2007, 17:16

Steve says:

It's ASDA's own brand but yes I think that they probably make it

7th Mar 2007, 17:33

Dhamaka says:

I stopped eating pig for similar reasons to Steve. I'm fine with most other animals but don't want to eat animal that's self aware enough to leave false trails to put fellow animals off the trail for nice food. However, I occasionally lapse..

please don't start showing me that other animals are similar. I like meat

7th Mar 2007, 18:49

Helen says:

Is it made in the USA?

7th Mar 2007, 18:51

Steve says:

I just checked and it's actually a tesco product produced in the UK for Tesco's

If you eat one you may as well eat them all.

7th Mar 2007, 18:56

Helen says:

I only like morningstar : (

7th Mar 2007, 18:57

Steve says:

Have you tried the Tesco's one?

7th Mar 2007, 18:58

Helen says:

Yes.

7th Mar 2007, 18:59

Steve says:

I find them to be quite similar and not that great, to thin!

I like the quorn ones but they do repeat on you.

7th Mar 2007, 19:01

Helen says:

and smell bad.

Morningstar are the best because you can microwave them and they taste like frazzles.

7th Mar 2007, 19:03

taniwha says:

I know vegaterians who will slide for bacon ... but didn't know there was a quorn version.

Bourdain's book is well worth a read by the way if only to get the inside scoop on how to pick a restaurant

7th Mar 2007, 20:13

all this talk of food is making me want pork. Pork! Pork! PORK!

7th Mar 2007, 21:08

Steve says:

Now that's something that I do find interesting, Pork. Not pig, Beef not Cow, Lamb not Sheep. Why give it a different name unless on some level you find it morally dubious. Perhaps not now but when things were named someone decided to place the two things in different mental containers.

7th Mar 2007, 21:29

spongevid says:

I've never tried fake bacon, though tempted to now. I do like pig bacon but the excessive amounts of fat that drips out really puts me off, and I'm assuming fake bacon isn't as fatty!! Ohhhh i may investigate this fact.

7th Mar 2007, 21:46

nige says:

either way you cut it, the vege bacon is wrong, man! i think it's just the rectangle that freaks me a little...

7th Mar 2007, 22:06

Steve says:

Don't expect it to taste like real bacon, it can be nice, but just nice in a different way.

7th Mar 2007, 22:24

amyw says:

I tried that tesco's Facon (fake-bacon) but didnit like it, it tasted plasticy or something. Morningstar is the nicest I've had, closely followed by Quorn :)

8th Mar 2007, 17:47

amyw says:

oh and you are most definately right about the Quorn one repeating on you, i thought it was just me who had that problem!

8th Mar 2007, 17:49

faithless says:

yummi yummi, nice breakfast :)
thanks for comment

8th Mar 2007, 18:56

mat says:

"Beef not Cow, Lamb not Sheep."

So, do you wear cow shoes? Pig and cow bodies produce more than just pork and beef, they produce leather, tallow, blood, sausage casings, tripe, gelatin, etc. etc. So the eating meat has a name of it's own. Interesting that chicken is just chicken - perhaps because we don't really use anything except the flesh from chicken carcasses?

Meat has a different name because it's a different thing from the entire animal, not because there's anything to hide about it. Nobody, back when language was forming, would have had any moral quandries about killing and eating animals. Moral dilemmas are the preserve of the food-rich.

Oh, and a lamb is a sheep, but a sheep is not always a lamb. Sheep meat is called mutton. Lamb is murdered baby sheeps (oh so tasty though). :)

8th Mar 2007, 19:09

JokerXL says:

Strangest of stuff!

Mat you're so clued-up dude!
;-)

8th Mar 2007, 21:48

Steve says:

"Moral dilemmas are the preserve of the food-rich" fair point well made.

It does sound rather unlikely when you put it like that.

9th Mar 2007, 01:02

mat says:

Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with making dietary choices based on morality if you have the opportunity - one of the great things about modern, affluent societies is the wide spectrum of consumption-related guilt available to us. :)

9th Mar 2007, 01:16

Steve says:

I like to think that mine is a personal choice rather than something thrust upon me by the media... but how would I know?

There is also something comforting in having a set of beliefs that have been held for a long time. It's the closest I come to understanding fanatics and religious types.

Just so we know, I do use Leather where I feel I have to, Shoes, and not much else. I would love a Suede and a leather jacket but can't bring myself to do it. And if I was on a desert island with a rabbit it would be on a BBQ stick pretty quickly. My sense of morality has moulded itself to fit this hypocrisy and it seems to work for me.

9th Mar 2007, 07:33

Helen says:

Not strictly too. Many peoples don't eat meat due to moral decisions perpetuated by religion. Hinduism for a start.

Maybe, historically, there were health issues too.

9th Mar 2007, 07:38

taniwha says:

To pick up Helen's point about historical issues and opportunity to make choices The jewish people have maintained choices about diet even though it brought upon them particular hardship (not least because of persecution of a group of people who were resented for their lack of assimilation).

9th Mar 2007, 08:10

mat says:

Pigs are unclean in Islam too. The interesting thing about pigs is that they contain more zoonoses (non-humans diseases communicable to humans) than other animals, so back before refrigeration, it made sense to proscribe their use. Halal has similar roots - a religious prescription on how to slaughter - to stop people eating gone-off meat.

Nobody is making a moral choice when they follow a religion, they are subsuming that choice for the luxury of not having to think for themselves. That's why religions explicitly tell you what to do, not how to think. For a Jew, not eating pork isn't a moral choice they've individually made (unlike in Steve's case here), it's something they've been told to do by an old book, and it's no more rational in modern times than mutilating a young man's genitals when he hits puberty.

Hindus are allowed meat. the Bhagvad Gita says "There is no sin in eating meat, in (drinking) spirituous liquor, and in carnal intercourse, for that is the natural way of created beings, but abstention brings great rewards. (5:56)". We know today that a meat-heavy diet is not as healthy as a more moderated one. The successful religions all have some prescription about meats, mostly to say "eat fewer of them". Which, broadly speaking, is a good idea for helping one's medicine-free society survive. Good ideas that help a society/culture survive persist, although often end up hidden away in (seemingly) irrational rules. The "eat beef every day" religions all died of bowel cancer thousands of years ago.

To sum up: religion = mind control. Proscribed meat not proscribed for moral reasons, although proscription dressed up as such (if a jew/muslim can't eat pork, morally, why can they still eat lamb and beef?). Meat still tasty.

Time for some bacon. :)

9th Mar 2007, 11:22

Rich says:

yeah, the reason pork is prohibited in Islam and Judaism is because unrefrigerated pork goes bad in doublequick time. I've read some fantastically wacky rants on Islamic websites about the inherantly evil nature of the pig, which are basically trying to reposition the prohibition in more cosmic terms now it's been rendered pointless by fridges. It's a fine example of what was originally a good idea for the time it was developed in becoming a reflexive and unthinking piece of religious dogma.


That said, vegetarians are freaks of nature and we should have the right to hunt you down and barbeque you at any time.

9th Mar 2007, 12:23

Euphro says:

The beef/cow, pork/pig, mutton/sheep food naming thing dates from the Norman invasion. Beef, pork and mutton stem from the French words for these animals. Because the Normans were in charge and the elite, it was perceived to be more "posh" to use these words. One other relic of this is use of the word coney for rabbit fur. There is a brief discussion here :)

9th Mar 2007, 12:36

Helen says:

So, the multitudes of Hindus who don't eat meat have made a choice... a moral choice... guided by their religious beliefs, maybe.

I can't accept that all followers of religion follow without conscious decision.

9th Mar 2007, 17:30

Steve says:

"I can't accept that all followers of religion follow without conscious decision"

Really? I think that very few Christians actually sit down and question their beliefs, most seem to just go through the motions and get angry when they think that they should. You often end up having very closed arguments with them that tend to end in "because that's what the bible says". That said there are some pretty fab Christians out there that challenge conventional doctrine. I don't believe in God but I have a lot of time for the people like this that do.

Rich I knew that was you, must be your cuddly style shining through.

9th Mar 2007, 18:13

Steve says:

Thanks for the link E!

"Coney Island" Rabbit Island, you learn something new.

9th Mar 2007, 18:17

Helen says:

Hmmm, that's quite a gross generalisation. A generalisation that can be made across all sorts of cultures about people's beliefs and opinions. Be it religion, nation, sporting... whatever.

I've known some extremely thoughtful Christians, in fact possibly some of the most thoughtful and intelligent people I have known have been deeply religious -- Methodist, Quaker, Catholic, Muslim...

I think there is some value in the comment... but I can't see it applied so universally without some challenge.

9th Mar 2007, 18:50

Rich says:

But as a feminist, you would say that.


Cos all feminists do.

9th Mar 2007, 20:02

Steve says:

Well I made the comment about Christians because they are a group that I am very familiar with. I am of course generallising but only because in my experience that is what I have found.

As I said before "I don't believe in God but I have a lot of time for the people like this that do." I was referring to the thoughtful challenging Christians that I enjoy talking to or listening to.

I agree that there is a danger in lumping people together and generalising, but there is also a danger if you don't. If a group behaves in this way should it be ignored?

I am actually quite concerned by the new laws which govern peoples freedom of speech when it comes to criticising religion.

9th Mar 2007, 20:09

Steve says:

The salvation title really seems to fit now.

9th Mar 2007, 20:10

Helen says:

Yeah, that's the trouble with us feminists. We say stuff.

9th Mar 2007, 21:27

Steve says:

"It's ok honey, no one is listening" *smacks behind*

9th Mar 2007, 21:28

humanrain says:

fake bacon's yummy.

9th Mar 2007, 21:42

Genevieve says:

its actually my favourite and tesco have stopped selling morning star can not find it anywhere apart from on an American website .

6th Jun 2007, 16:39

anonymous says:

oops could someone take my email address off please :-(

[MOD NOTE: Done! - Seaneeboy]

6th Jun 2007, 16:40

Steve says:

Aint nobody faster than Seaneeboy... just ask Mrs Seaneeboy :)

6th Jun 2007, 18:04