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Regarding this post and I believe some other recent ones elsewhere, the very good point was made to me that not only is photographing whilst driving somewhat dangerous (although at my own risk in this case), it's also illegal under UK law.

I'm a Bad Person and I apologise. These pictures were taken in a car park, with all the brakes on and the engine off.
21st Jun 2006, 22:16   | tags:,

Mandy. says:

hmm, which post? link seems to go to the home page?

21st Jun 2006, 22:41

teflon says:

I've fixed the link in Mat's post, so it now ought to work.

Of course, I would never be as irresponsible as to take photos while driving.

21st Jun 2006, 23:39

Mandy. says:

hell in a f'ing handbasket. that's where yer all goin.

22nd Jun 2006, 00:00

seaneeboy says:

Nice sandles :)

I'm dead chuffed with this post - Good on you mat.

I've made no secret that I think driveblogging is possibly one of the stupidest things you can do, and I sincerely hope a couple of bloggers get caught and fined the full £1000 to show the lower end of the consequence.

tef - that's nothing to promote, and mocks the entire point of this kind of post. Hope your mum is proud of raising such a stupid boy.

22nd Jun 2006, 09:09

Joe says:

I think thats a bit harsh Sean, you're entitled to an opinion, but calling somebody stupid (especially somebody who clearly isn't) is rather nasty, and completely unecessary in this context.
People have the choice to take photographs whilst driving if they wish, yes it's dangerous, yes the act itself is stupid....but name calling....thats not the kind of thing I expected from you at all.

22nd Jun 2006, 09:18

seaneeboy says:

Partial apologies. I've met tef and have to say on the whole seems a clever fellow - and yourself, and it utterly dismays me as to why people take part in this most thougtless act.

This is just a subject a little close to my heart and having a positive move taken by mat being dismissed by tef like that seemed a bit rubbish.

tef did drop right down in my opinion when I found out about the driveblogging, as have many others - mat has gone up in my estimation because he's admitted his mistake, but seems to be the only person on this site capable of admitting thins kind of thing is a mistake.

Why should I get flack for not wanting people to get killed?

22nd Jun 2006, 09:25

Joe says:

A mistake in your opinion, I'm sure you have your reasons.

to me it just smacks of passive censorship, I'm not condoning the act, nor am I promoting it, I just feel it's wrong that you should expect people not to do it, because you feel it's wrong.

22nd Jun 2006, 09:31

seaneeboy says:

But you DO condone it by doing it unapolagetically yourself.

By allowing it on the site and praise for it amongst the community it's encouraging an illegal act.

We don't let people send in pictures of them shagging, but we don't stop people from doing it.

And that first sentence there is particularly patronising. I'm not alone in thinking it's a mistake, I'm sure.

22nd Jun 2006, 09:45

teflon says:

I realise that taking photos while driving is generally a daft thing to do; but there's no chance I would have done it if I had any doubt that I was in full control of the vehicle, or if there was any danger to myself or others.

I shouldn't be promoting it, though, that was definitely silly of me.

22nd Jun 2006, 09:51

seaneeboy says:

I'm always amazed that everyone can usually realise it's "wrong" - but everyone has an excuse - as if for some reason the normal laws of impact/physics don't apply to them. Sorry to get all "Disgruntled of Leeds" here, but I do think it's a point worth making.

It's not often I take a big moral stand, but I'm doing it now.

22nd Jun 2006, 09:54

Joe says:

As a moderator, fundamentally, you're here to ensure that the content people post conforms to the T&C;'s of the site you ARE NOT here to influence what people post, based on your personal opinion.

As an adult in a democratic society, I have every right to do whatever I want with my mobile phone, when and where I wish, if I break the law, it is up to the appropriate authorities to punish me.I cannot believe you are expecting people to stop doing this, because you (or any number of other people) disagree with it...I find that attitude arogant and offensive. If anything I'm more likely to take these kinds of pictures now, than I was yesterday....

I have made no excuse for my actions, because I don't believe I need one, if I wish to take risks, risks I've considered carefully, then I am as entitled to do so as you are to expect your opinion to change my actions.

This hits a nerve with me, you've really surprised me Sean.

22nd Jun 2006, 10:35

seaneeboy says:

I'm full of surprises, me.

Looks like we'll have to disagree on this one

My personal, non moderator position is this is an act that probably will continue, but when it DOES go wrong (and it ultimately WILL) and a moblogger dies, this community will have had the chance to discourage it, and will have missed that due to rank arrogance by it's members.

My hopes may seem arrogant, but at least they aren't going to kill anyone.

EDIT: And just as you have the right to put your life in danger I have the right to make my feeling on it clear.

22nd Jun 2006, 10:40

Dhamaka says:

Changing the thread completely, I love these shots. So clear and simple

and thoughtful

and yay! for moblog - a *real* community that's tolerant enough for everyone to feel able to express themselves and still be respected by fellow community members

22nd Jun 2006, 11:13

seaneeboy says:

Hmn. Given the deafening silence I can't help but feel I have very little respect at the moment - but I'd rather have my principals anyway :)

Blimey, now I know how g feels...

22nd Jun 2006, 11:28

teflon says:

sean: I do respect you, and appreciate you want us all to be safe. fwiw, I posted my pic 2 years ago, and as far as I recall, it's the only drivingblogging I've done.

(the silence on my end has largely been because of uber-busy-ness at work)

22nd Jun 2006, 11:41

seaneeboy says:

Cheers tef - I apologise for calling you stupid. I of all people whould know that one stupid act does not make you stupid per se :)

22nd Jun 2006, 12:18

mat says:

Joe - whilst you have the right to risk your life/break the law if you wish (nobody is questioning that), a question remains as to whether moblogUK should be hosting pictures of the law being broken. That may even be against the terms and conditions already, tbh.

The issue of leading by example also raises it's head, although that's not quite the same thing.

Sean obviously, and with perfectly good reason, feels strongly about this particular issue and is prepared to stand up - as a member of the community, not a moderator (what, he's going to moderate ME?) - and make a noise to try and convince people to do what is quite clearly the Right Thing. For someone to care enough about something that they'll stand up and say "no you idiots, this is stupid, stop doing it" in front of their freinds is terribly impressive.

We don't have to listen to him, and I don't think Sean is expecting everyone to listen. I am though, becuase I think he's right. I'm certainly not going to stop enjoying driving, or risking my own neck (hell, that's FUN), but I am going to stop taking pictures while I do it.

22nd Jun 2006, 12:39

540air says:

Before I say anything, hands up, I know I'm guilty of the occasional driveblogging pic.

I think that maybe the silence is due in part to the fact that most of us can see both sides here, and to a point agree with both sides.
"My personal, non moderator position is this is an act that probably will continue, but when it DOES go wrong (and it ultimately WILL) and a moblogger dies, this community will have had the chance to discourage it, and will have missed that due to rank arrogance by it's members."

Personally I agree we shouldn't encourage it, but I don't think rank arrogance would be a fair description of most members views.

"As an adult in a democratic society, I have every right to do whatever I want with my mobile phone, when and where I wish, if I break the law, it is up to the appropriate authorities to punish me.I cannot believe you are expecting people to stop doing this, because you (or any number of other people) disagree with it...I find that attitude arogant and offensive. If anything I'm more likely to take these kinds of pictures now, than I was yesterday....

I have made no excuse for my actions, because I don't believe I need one, if I wish to take risks, risks I've considered carefully, then I am as entitled to do so as you are to expect your opinion to change my actions."

Joe is quite right here. We, supposedly, do live in a free and democratic society, and as long as the consequences of his actions harm noone, or only himself, why should he be stopped?

We all do silly/irresponsible things at times, but that's partly what makes us individuals.

Sean, I think if it were people posting pics of drink/drugged driving, or massive speeds through crowded high streets, then we should do something about it. But deserted roads at night, where you're only likely to injure yourself isn't anything more than a bit of silliness :)

I think I've made a point in there somewhere, though apologies for the random ramblings.

22nd Jun 2006, 12:48

Joe says:

Sean, my respect for you remains unchanged, I like to think it's possible to have a disagreement without it effecting my established opinion of an individual.
discussion is always good.

Mat, my issue is not with Sean's opinion, of course it isn't sensible to take pictures whilst driving, my issue is with the idea that anyone believes they have the right to tell me I shouldn't post content, because they don't agree with it....I have a phobia of bananas (and yes it is a real phobia), and though I may say "euww!", I would never expect people to stop posting pictures of bananas, just because I find them scary and offensive.

22nd Jun 2006, 13:01