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"We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us, with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke, and a presumption that once our eyes watered." - Guildenstern, Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead

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JFK: "I am a doughnut!"

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JFK's famous words as translated by Qatar Airways. I have seen it all
now. *dies*

Joe says:

hmmm even I know thats not quite right :)

17th Feb 2006, 12:33

daz says:

I mean, technically, a "Berliner" is a type of donut (the kind without the hole in the middle), but... it also means "citizen of Berlin". ;p Cooooontext, people!

17th Feb 2006, 12:34

Joe says:

I don't like doughnuts without the hole, they're usually filled with jam or something yeuch.

17th Feb 2006, 12:42

daz says:

Yep, the traditional german ones are filled with rosehip jam, which is actually the only kind I like.

17th Feb 2006, 12:46

OJ says:

Classic. I think someone was stretching a comedy analogy too far there...

17th Feb 2006, 13:02

Rich says:

but the humour comes from taking it out of context. I personally love that Captain Brainflap informed the huddled masses that he was a lovely cake. With rosehip jam though? That sound crazy wack.

17th Feb 2006, 13:05

daz says:

Rosehip jam is lovely, though. The only kind I like. :)

17th Feb 2006, 13:08

Rich says:

You crazy germans.

17th Feb 2006, 13:09

daz says:

*shakes fist*

17th Feb 2006, 13:09

daz says:

You/your teacher are/was right. :) Although adding the "ein" puts a little more emphasis in it.

I'd never thought of that because where I grew up, we call the donuts in question "Krapfen". :)

19th Feb 2006, 19:30

Helen says:

It was in our history books too.

Rosehip jam might be good. I like jam.

19th Feb 2006, 19:39

Twiglet says:

I too have always believed that JFK said "I am a doughnut" because he said "Berliner"but have never bothered to query it. I found your explanation very interesting Daz. Isn't it crazy how the press managed to write this into history? I am pleased to have learned something today!

19th Feb 2006, 20:08

daz says:

Twiglet: Are you... serious?

19th Feb 2006, 20:26

Helen says:

But he wasn't a Berliner, was he, he was an American?

Whatever he said, he was lying.

19th Feb 2006, 20:30

Helen says:

Typical politician.

Grumble, mumble.

19th Feb 2006, 20:31

daz says:

Well, I suppose if he had said he was an American, then Qatar airways would have quoted him declaring that he was a Black&White;*. ;)

(Because that's what we call these things here. Amerikaner.)

*I apologize, I suck at teh indirect speech

19th Feb 2006, 20:32

Twiglet says:

Funny thing Daz, I just asked the Beloved and he had NEVER heard the Doughnut story. Because I've never really known anyone who is a native German speaker I've never queried the story. Not that I've any particular interest in Kennedy but I'm glad to know he didn't really stand up and say "I'm a doughnut". I'm quite serious, I honestly believed he made a language error.

19th Feb 2006, 20:35

bronxelf says:

That's always been translated to me as "I am a jelly donut."

Which I still think is still funny as hell.

But I like jelly donuts. So it's okay.

mmmm. jelly donut....

20th Feb 2006, 09:01

Joe says:

blerg...jelly/jam has no place in doughnuts...they should just be deep fried sugary goodness.

20th Feb 2006, 09:21

bronxelf says:

Ack. I hate zeppole. (deep fried dough things)

They're all yours.

20th Feb 2006, 09:34

Rich says:

Yr. all weird. President Shaggy McBrainPastry died for your sins and all you can do is be hatin' on the jam-dough continuum. For shame!

20th Feb 2006, 09:44

Joe says:

Shaggy McBrainPastry...heh

hold on, aren't all doughnuts deep fried?

20th Feb 2006, 09:57

bronxelf says:

but not all of them are just dough bits. I dont like them when they have no filling.

20th Feb 2006, 10:12

daz says:

I can't believe you guys were actually TAUGHT that he said he was a donut... WTF?!

20th Feb 2006, 10:13

when the 'history' books and 'media' have told you and you dont speake german you have no reason not to belive it.

20th Feb 2006, 10:15

daz says:

But I mean... Surely they didn't report, "And Kennedy stepped up and proudly declared, 'I am a donut!' to express his solidarity with the city of Berlin."??

20th Feb 2006, 10:20

i think the took it out of context, but when isay media i dont mean only the papers comediand tv shows magazenes and all that, they probably did it to make him sound stupid as there are a 'small' group of the british that dont like america. and by 'small' i mean large. and when a i say 'dont like' i mean hate

20th Feb 2006, 10:23

daz says:

Of course I get what you mean, misquoting people on purpose can of course be really funny, ... I'm just wondering if you REALLY never knew what he REALLY said/meant?

20th Feb 2006, 10:25

well it was obviouse that he didnt mean that he was a donut as that is stupid, i think it was made to be even funnier that he didnt mean to say that but it was told to us that he did say that

20th Feb 2006, 10:28

Joe says:

having never heard of a doughnut described as a berliner, before I learned about it, I assumed he meant a Berliner (like a londoner, or a leodensian)...when we studied it though, the teacher did refer to the fact that a lot of people where amused by the doughnut reference, but not that he actually meant he was a doughnut.

20th Feb 2006, 10:29

bronxelf says:

The way it was taught to us is that he MEANT to align himself with the people of Berlin but inadvertantly declared himself to be a jelly donut.

20th Feb 2006, 10:32

Joe says:

as usual Bronx says what I mean, only better :)

20th Feb 2006, 10:35

daz says:

OK thanks guys, I am really relieved now. :)

20th Feb 2006, 10:40

Rich says:

Now let's take a few moments of silence to think about Jack and Bobby Kennedy double-teaming Marilyn Monroe. I bet she was something like a donut after that.

20th Feb 2006, 11:02

Joe says:

*mind bleach*

20th Feb 2006, 11:11

bronxelf says:

Rich: as cassiusdrow would say...

"aww fuck it. Let's just throw in the rope and some tennis balls and go in after Carol-Anne." **

** it's a Poltergeist(movie)joke.

20th Feb 2006, 11:38

daz says:

*tries not to think about the slime*

Can I borrow some mind bleach please? I seem to have run out...

20th Feb 2006, 12:30

Rich says:

Ahhh, jokes that require explanations, definitely the best kind.

Just to let everyone know, I've got a marvellous mental image of Ms Monroe doing her famous "tennis ball and coil of rope trick". It's terribly erotic.

20th Feb 2006, 13:01

daz says:


20th Feb 2006, 13:16

Joe says:

*refuses to read*

20th Feb 2006, 13:18

bronxelf says:

Well it doesn't require an explanation if you've seen the movie, but I've no idea how much of a recognizable international thing that would be. :P

20th Feb 2006, 17:11

the doughnut story is quite common here Daz. I've even heard it on radio 4!

*wanders off thinking about Rich's image...

20th Feb 2006, 17:20

daz says:

elf: I've seen the movie. :)

20th Feb 2006, 17:41

bronxelf says:

THANK YOU. So you get it, right?

20th Feb 2006, 17:55

daz says:

Well, I think so. :)

20th Feb 2006, 18:09

bronxelf, on boingo says:

remind me to explain the context in which it was said. its still the funniest thing cassiusdrow's ever said. I had tears of laughter pouring down my face for a half hour.

20th Feb 2006, 18:12

daz says:

*reminds* :)

20th Feb 2006, 18:13

daz says:

In other news, my roommate just informed me that in Berlin, this type of doughnut is actually referred to as "Pfannkuchen" (pancake). :D

20th Feb 2006, 18:18

plkrtn says:

Eddie Izzard did a joke about this in 1999... Catch up people!!

21st Feb 2006, 10:17

PLKTRN i didnt want to say that i dont know why i just didnt want to mention it as i was enjoying the conversation

21st Feb 2006, 10:18

science kid says:

the germans belived he said i am a doughnut because he was not a citizen of berlin

7th Sep 2006, 19:49

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